Monday, April 24, 2006

Dumbing Us Down: An Interview With John Taylor Gatto

Gatto:

The primary objective is to convert human raw material into human resources which can be employed efficiently by the managers of government and the economy. The original purposes of schooling were to make good people (the religious purpose), to make good citizens (the public purpose) and to make individuals their personal best (the private purpose). Throughout the 19th century, a new Fourth Purpose began to emerge, tested thoroughly in the military state of Prussia in northern Europe. The Fourth Purpose made the point of mass schooling to serve big business and big government by extending childhood, replacing thinking with drill and memorization while fashioning incomplete people unable to protect themselves from exhortation, advertising and other forms of indirect command.


I first encountered the work of John Taylor Gatto in "Meshuggah!," a New York zine that published some of my early stories. If you haven't read "Dumbing Us Down," I highly recommend it. It will make you mad. It will positively terrify you. But you'll be the better for it.

8 comments:

Robert said...

whatta synchronicity

i just posted this 5 minutes ago over on the Saul Williams poetry board, waltz over here and...

TWilliam said...

Oh jeez. Mac, if you think "Dumbing Us Down" was terrifying, try reading his "Underground History of American Education"; if you ever have kids, you won't want them within 20 miles of a public school. He's been working on a documentary film based on the book for a few years now I believe, but it's been slow going because of funding issues; I think he's been trying to keep it strictly grassroots to prevent any corporate agendas creeping in, so it's been slow going.

W.M. Bear said...

Gatto's ideas are not news, since Jonathan Kozol's Death at an Early Age basically broke this same ground a couple of decades ago. However, he does develop and extend Kozol's basic thesis that American public education not only "dumbs down" young minds but worse, basically kills their curiosity to know and learn. I think those of us who escaped both our public schooling and the subtler intellectual conformity of higher education know intuitively that Gatto is right about a lot of things. I particularly like his realism as to the possibility of changing the educational system -- the whole corporate capitalist oligarchical sociopolitical scene (in my jargonist rendering of Gatto) has to be changed first. Not bloody likely in our lifetimes, eh bros? Which, of course, leaves emigration to Mars and beyond as the major viable alternative....

TWilliam said...

I haven't read Kozol; would you recommend him w.m. bear?

One of the things I like about Gatto is his presentation. He has an infectious style and wit that draws you into his stories.

As for changing the system, yea, "Good Luck."tm

W.M. Bear said...

twilliam -- Definitely. Death at an Early Age is THE classic description of what's wrong with American education.

magnidude said...

w.m. bear:

You Yankees are screwed ;). I can at least always dream about emmigrating to US. Your only option is Mars...

the whole corporate capitalist oligarchical sociopolitical scene

I don't want to dig into the subject greatly but a compulsory education system (especially an evil, mind-twisting one) is far more connected with socialism than with capitalism. I know what I'm saying. Living in Poland, being born in '78, I had an occassion to taste learning about Vladimir Ilich as a world-saving hero (in my 1-3 classes of primary school). We even singed a Russian tune 'wsiegda budiet' sonce' (always would be the sun) in kidergarten. Geee, those were strange times...

W.M. Bear said...

magnidude -- Well, I was made to say the "Pledge of Allegiance" (AND bow my head in mandatory prayer in the bad old days before it was banned) every school morning for twelve long years. (My own take on this whole issue is, how many times does somebody have to pledge his or her allegiance? You'd think ONCE would be enough! Evidently, my allegiance was good only until around sunrise the next day -- then all bets were off! Gotta make that kid be loyal again! Kind of like renting a car, I guess.)

But I disagree about compulsory education being socialistic. In fact, here in America it is totally corporate, the real purpose being not to teach kids to think about and understand the world and the universe and nature that are its context, but purely and simply to socialize kids into behaving like good little corporate bunnies so that they will docilely go along when capitalism begins ripping off their labor to fuel its profit grubbing.

It's interesting. The failure of bureaucratic communism of the Soviet and Chinese is usually taken as a clear demonstration of the capitalistic/free market system but, in reality, it is anything but.... don't get me started! I will just shut down for now with this thought. When robotics wedded to advanced AI begins to make virtually all white and blue collar job skills (including computer programming) obsolete, you are going to see a socialist revolution the likes of which few (if any) people can now imagine....

TWilliam said...

It's interesting. The failure of bureaucratic communism of the Soviet and Chinese is usually taken as a clear demonstration of the capitalistic/free market system but, in reality, it is anything but.... don't get me started!

Oh come ON wmb... let's hear it!